if(typeof ez_ad_units!='undefined'){ez_ad_units.push([[250,250],'footslide_com-medrectangle-4','ezslot_6',108,'0','0'])};__ez_fad_position('div-gpt-ad-footslide_com-medrectangle-4-0');The top-grade Shell Cordovan Leather material used to make Carmina shoes is surely one of the best in the world for dress shoes. Viberg 2040 8.5: No variable widths for this last. I appreciate it doesnt work for everyone geographically, but most of the famous English brands are still manufactured in the Northampton region. As mentioned in the top comment, we were focusing on shoes under 300. Pepe Albaladejo runs Meermin with his father Jose, who founded the company in 2001 by selling through the legendary shoe mecca that is Tokyo's Isetan department store. I appreciate that it takes time and skill and thus affects cost, it just doesnt matter a ton to me as it doesnt have a meaningful effect on how the shirt wears or looks. They are extremely comfortable and very good value in my opinion. Carmina shoes are well-fitting shoes that grip your feet firmly on the go so that you get more balance and stability in your motions. Ive never been sure if I am just more accepting of shoe prices or if I am proportional as I bulk at the idea of spending 400 on a jumper but happy to buy C&J main line. Do you like the mor traditional English or contemporary French style more? Yes they do take a while to break in, but once they were, they ended up being just as comfortable as all my other GYW shoes. That may change in the future though, with the higher-end ones like Miyagi Kogyo trying to make it abroad. Compared to the HOK 9 and 2030 9.5 this started with the loosest heel, which lead to a bit of slop, but broke in with some wear. Is it enough to justify the extra 75 quid per pair? You might also care more with a dress oxford than a casual loafer. Same thing is true at a luxury level. Andres Sendra: I have a pair of wholecuts. Barrie 9.5D: Bad fit. Rancourt 113 loafer: men's size 6D is pretty good Meermin Hiro derby: men's UK 4.5 wearable but the heel is . Try Saphir Shoe-Eze, it actually works. Please support us by using them. By far the highest quality of any of the brands on this list (and in my opinion, the most elegant lasts). This is the next level down of Spanish brands, more on a par with the Swedish start-ups in terms of quality, but much bigger organisations. However, they are less fashionable than Carmina shoes because of the quality of their finishing. You can buy Carmina shoes at price tags that read between 341 and 407. Velasca uses a Blake/Rapid construction, so not Goodyear welted - but remember Blake/Rapid is more similar to Goodyear than it is to normal Blake. Dont buy both together though do buy one then the other, just to make sure you do like that style and fit etc. I spoke to folks at Carmina and got somewhat mixed opinions, the wrench in the equation being size variances on the lasts for both unlined and shell materials. Here you'll find an extensive sizing chart for Goodyear welted shoes from Skolyx, Yanko and TLB Mallorca. Toe box is comfortable but not a lot of play, heel is well locked in. Career and job listings in fashion, mens clothing, Reviews of Classifieds and classifieds sellers, No Man Walks Alone - Official Affiliate Thread (a.k.a. Initially I tried 9E because many people recommend 1/2 size down and 1 width up for this last. Wide midfoot, but a touch low instep which translates to average volume, just squashed a bit down. Will they last much longer? Seems to be a popular thing to write now. With thick socks, fits like a snug glove all around on unstructured toe. Im happy to pay a bit more for that consistency and service. Really? I would also recommend Thomas George Collection (based in Melbourne) and Crownhill Shoes (Spain), two quality brands who sit at the same price range of Morjas/Velasca and they do great bang for the bucket GW Shoes. The quality difference was like night and day and Id have no hesitation recommending the Loake 1880s as a good budget shoe. Did not break in enough to be able to wear even thin socks. Cheers, H. While I havent worn Prada or Ferragamo, I can be quite certain that they will be worse value for money than those mentioned here. . There are some good value pick ups in this range, especially when youre figuring out what you like and dont like and building up your wardrobe slowly over time.. Nice, good to hear your experience Taylor, thanks. It is not surprising for people to give high praises to the Carmina shoes due to their high durability and quality build-up. Berwick has become very popular in recent years, particularly in Asia, Russia and elsewhere. Perhaps someone will find them useful: 1. Im a long term Crockett and Jones customer I buy main line and handgrade (I prefer the handgrade for the softness of the leather and the whole leather inner, which feels lovely). Onderhound New Buteo 41.5: Volume is a little high, but the width and arch length are bang on. Parkhurst 18 Last 9D: Too narrow, should have gone TTS. I havent covered Allen Edmonds in the past both because I havent had much experience of them, and because they were below the quality level we normally cover on PS hence their inclusion in this article, which was intended to round-up lots of cheaper makers. See and interact with all Instagram stories @PermanentStyleLondon. (My feet are only moderately narrow, so I dont have issues with normal width lace up shoes). Also Berwick, Yanko and others. very snug in the toes. Brilliant. 9US is too generous, * **Red Wing 8 last (iron ranger)** 8.5D a bit snug on the sides of the mid foot, might've gotten away with 8.5E, * **Rider Boot 42 last** 9D comfortable fit, but lowish instep at the top makes it hard to put them on without shoehorn, * **RM Williams Comfort Craftsman** 8G with a little heel slip, * **TLB Mallorca Alan** 8F UK generous without being overly roomy. New product releases, daily discussion and community building with a common interest in quality footwear. TLB Artista full review here Meermin Burgundy Oxford Shoe || Men's US 8 UK 7 E. $50.00 + $32.48 shipping. I believe that I am at the upper limit for this last. Its a helpful round up, especially since I find this price bracket to be a sweet spot for my own purposes. ), but perhaps that wouldnt be entirely appropriate. Still tapered in in waist and heel for a comfortable lock in, but with more room in the toe box and at the ball. 2. Sounds like a nice choice of shoes. I am asking because this difference has never really been clear to me. Rock Your Socks- show your sock, shoe & pant combos, *DROP 3/1* NWT $240 Ralph Lauren Purple Label Italian Made Navy Linen & Mulberry Silk Twill Neck Tie, * DROP 3/1 * NWT $225 Ralph Lauren Purple Label Italian Made Square Knit Solid Black Silk Neck Tie, R.M.Williams Comfort Craftsman Tobacco Suede UK 8.5 H. OGIO Golf Travel Bags The Royal Experience! CARMINA belvtor.by - CARMINA 100% 10016 U www.clinicarinologica.com - 6.5 CARMINA ecovitaconstrutora.com.br 17,500 . Thanks for your efforts! and the results for the money where quite good.at a distance, you could mistake them for Berluti, at 1/4 the price. Both these shoes are true to size, but Carminas are however more fitting and properly sized than the Meermin shoes. And it seems like, that level of service pervades the company. Viberg 2030E 9: Specifically for the Halketts which have a trimmed waist and slight pattern changes these are okay in a half size up with boot socks. The 5th toe of my right foot has always been mildly adducted and overlapping the 4th toe. But Carmina say they dont use them even though Jesper was told they do. Theyre perhaps most similar to Skolyx, in being a very simple make but with good materials. Interested to hear your thoughts if one abstracts from the usual price mark-up due to branding etc. Its just not possible.. They had also banned any online store to ship them out to Canada. Thanks EL. Assuming that none have cracks or discolorations, are there significant differences in how different grades of suede used for shoes wear over time? Its a smidge roomy, but I don't believe going an extra half down would have worked and I prefer boots to be worn with boot socks. Allen Edmonds still made really good shoes twenty years ago, but their attempt at becoming an all around clothing brand with its own shops really harmed the quality of the shoes. Also I feel the toe space is a bit too narrow. Viberg 2020 8.5 GYW: Kinda snug, had to stretch out the instep, slightly smaller than the stitchdown version. Its probably confirmation bias but I do think they are good value especially with their very regular sales. Cnes (above), for example, has been exhibiting in various fairs around Europe, looking for retailers, and is very nicely made, with a bevelled waist and otherwise refined make. Indeed the leather is really stiff. Take for instance Santoni, Prada or S. Ferragamo. I would note that although the shoes I own have tight sole stitching, C&J models without pinking on the soles (for example, the Sydney with rubber soles) are noticeably less sleek. I'm interested in branching out from C&J to Carmina so I'll be paying attention to this thread. They initially repaired free of charge and when the heels came loose again they replaced for a shoe from their 1880 range. There's a tiny bit more room at the ball too now. Throughout this commentary from Jesper, its worth keeping in mind that some of the points are objective, some more subjective. These shoes have seen some heavy use and have been worn at least twice as much as the previous pair. Rafal hails from Poland and is a shoemaker who creates each pair of shoes by himself. Cork/insole filling will also compress. There might be a wide heel seat, for example, but then even some expensive English shoes like John Lobb have that.. Thanks. RON 9: Terrible fit. Brilliant article I really enjoyed that . Meermin offers loafers in simple colours of black, brown, copper, tan, and navy. Being from the UK my first proper pair of shoes at University were a pair of Loake 1880s they were fine and really all I needed at the time. NWT Pual Smith Linen, Cotton & Silk Blend Neck Tie in Navy w/ White Polka Dots from MR Porter, New w/ Tag $200+ Brioni Italian Made Woven Silk Purple Paisley Neck Tie from Bergdorf Goodman, Vintage Dunhill English Made Black Leather Long Wallet. Put simply, if you pay 250 for a shoe you cannot get 500 quality. Being cheaper is an objective description of price. But their attempt to branch out has caused them to lose their focus. You are of course free to think that theres better sources than Shoegazing. . Alden Barrie 9D: Slightly snug, still comfortable, but my least favorite Alden last so far. For what its worth Joshua, (with plenty of experience of both) I wouldnt necessarily consider C&J a step up from Trickers. Grant Stone Leo 9D: Solid fit. Bought before I understood my size. Never felt loose. I cant really comment Im afraid Sebastian, having never owned any. Merrell Vapor Glove: 10D, no issues since there's barely any structure. The lower tier shoes arent and if C&J or EG are out of reach, go with Alden rather than any of the cheaper Northampton brands. Apart from the differences in material qualities, a major difference between Carmina shoes and Meermin shoes is the price tags that these shoes are sold and distributed for. Foster & Son get this so much better with their RTW. Low arches but not flat. My experience with them has been very similar to yours, Felix. Bespoke obviously solves this but I dont care enough about the other elements you get and pay for with bespoke, or perhaps I just think 2k+ is too much and I suspect (hope?) Buying a pair of Meermins is not a decision that you are going to regret, trust me. No need to own property, employ shop staff etc etc. Ive since moved on to other brands because I wanted higher quality. I could fully close the lacing with the shoes still being a little loose with 9E. Some RTW still offer width varieties but I believe the manufacturers found that those with narrow feet didnt suffer if the shoes were too wide. **Notes about feet:** Left foot pretty much bang on 9D, right foot maybe 9.25D. This post is an epitome of that, and I may well take the opportunity to praise your reflection. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register. As someone who has handled or owned several of these brands I thought it would be helpful to offer my experience, anecdotal though it may be. Overall - and this all has to be generalisation - with English shoes you get a solid make and good quality control. You could specify any combo you wanted (dark navy to black, or dark purple to black, etc.) You will find that most Meermin shoes are poorly finished when compared to the quality Goodyear Welting of the Carmina shoes. Carminas are better than Meermin shoes today because of one major thing: Better Material Quality. Customers cant stop talking about Carminas. Very comfortable, heel is a smidge roomy, but overall an extremely comfortable last. For each last, add any thoughts on fit, including ankle/shaft fit for boots. You know what youre getting. I would also include Lof & Tung on this list its Skoaktiebolagets house brand (though I havent seen any in person), and their customer service is excellent too. Hmm, thanks for highlighting that Francois. Thanks for an informative post. The latter will in general be more durable, since its thicker and consists of all the parts of the leather. Ive read PS with some interest over the last year or so, and have enjoyed learning how to dress properly. The ball of my foot is at the widest part of the boot. Its a good time to be a consumer in this area.. Please use the following format to facilitate readability and searchability: This is an example of what a good comment looks like. But you might want to chat with Carmina first to double-check. Indeed, stylistically they are even quite close. Did you ever talk to them about what is the rationale behind this strategy? Maybe this section could be titled North America rather than United States. But have you ever disclosed your so called financial situation regarding your reviews you dont pay full price if any price for all these garments you have made for yourself, correct? The soles are more durable, the calf leather takes polish better and ages better, elements of the make lead to extra comfort (as do the materials), the make is finer and so looks better, and so on. Meermin US UK Narrow. Oscar - 8 UK Carmina - Rain - 7.5 UK J. Fitzpatrick - TMG - 7.5 UK Meermin - Rui - 7.5 . Really useful local knowledge, thanks David. I definitely enjoy the articles with the highest quality makes but its nice to have a change of pace as well, especially if its going to help me make a decision on something Im likely to buy. Meermins are stylish shoes, but they are also quite practical as well. To me, theyd come in just below C&J, Loding in Canada had a service (a couple years back) that involved a full time patina specialist in Montreal. For example, I dont really care about super fine handwork on a shirt. If anything, I would say last and design are the least obvious things they are the easiest ones to mimic. Ive also, more recently, experienced the customer service at GC and G&G excellent in both cases, as was the consistently good service at the Little Cheaney shop in Leeds, when I lived in the North of England. Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for Carmina Men's Wing Tip Oxford. The former is made in Spain, the latter in Portugal. That sounds like a brand going from manufacturer pricing, as most Northampton shoes are, to designer brand pricing, with a lot more design and marketing built in. Where would you fit in Carlos Santos? Still a well-made shoe, but too much spent on marketing and retail. If you will be ordering from the Trickers website, I suggest going over the fine print. Very few English RTW offer much in the way of narrow lasts. So if you wear for example UK10 in your Meermin we recommend UK9,5 in . Bored of counting likes on social networks? I ultimately gave up on mine. E.g. You talk a lot about nicer shoes on PS and how they are much nicer. Id put them at around Barker/Loake territory, perhaps slightly better. The insoles also havent molded to the shape of my foot as I would expect by this point. No stretch sir. Its particularly difficult with Oxfords, a Meermin Linea Maestra in a narrow width is the only pair I have that Id say fits spot on, all others are uncomfortable if I need to walk for a decent distance. Alden Aberdeen: 9.5E fits me really well with medium socks. Also I heard that they are actually trying to improve or change things constantly. But it fits pretty good and I'd happily buy another pair of 1035. Although Carmina shoes are more expensive than Meermin shoes, there is so much value that you can get when you make that extra investment to get them. For example, I got two new boots from the UK this week: a shell Carmina balmoral at just over $500 USD and C&J Galway 2 at just under $390 USD. Non-sense. Berwick uses corrected grain for some of its models (this is what stopped me from buying a pair). Left foot was okay. Too tight in the vamp and mid-foot. Normal arch/instep. Not a thick sock last. My C&J 337 is a bit loose in 10UK but too tight in 9.5UK; my Carmina Simpson Oxford is comfortably snug in 10UK (which is how I like my shoes to fit.) However, after having broken in the heel of my 9.5E MP, I feel like I would have actually been just fine going straight 9.5E. Once your account is created, you'll be logged-in to this account. My issue with C&J is that the range of G fits has been reduced significantly. Sizing as 10E and filling in vertical space as needed seems to offer the best fit, without any of the above problems. Its a bit funny though that you state I do arbitrary claims, when you yourself lift the examples you do, without backing it up with anything. Most of our ready to wear production goes from size 6UK to 12UK, but if you happen to wear a smaller or larger size, we can definitely help & specially make any pair from our collection for you. Some heel slip until broken in. I typically shy away from the lighter browns etc.. and thought this might be a good alternative and could be quite versatile. At least in the States, TLB comes in less expensive than C&J even after the customization upcharge and even if you select the higher-quality Artista line. I could wear these with my really thick winter socks if I wanted to. Sadly brands like Edward Green, Lobb and Cleverly are now so beyond my price point that I wonder if theyre now in the realm of diminishing returns? RM Williams Comfort Craftsman: 9.5G AUS - Great fit. This I find quite interesting, since you certainly arent the only one. Orbans (above) is a brand started by Marcos Fernandez, who also started Septieme Largeur and other brands in France. meister Stylish Dinosaur Joined Feb 10, 2007 Messages 10,772 Reaction score 2,515 Dec 28, 2011 #9 The Yanko felt very similar to the TLB if a bit softer overall (this makes sense as the founder of TLB used to be with Yanko). Carmina shoes are better than Meermin shoes. I cant comment as to what anything is like higher up the scale but they are both the best looking and most comfortable shoes I own (more than my hiking boots or running shoes). Crocketts and Carmina are in there largely for context, as mentioned. Im trying to decide between the following two options: 1) Myrqvist Molle Loafers @ 151 per pair, 2) Trickers Elton Loafers @ 225 per pair (on sale). * **Vass P2** EU41.5 comfortable fit but too much toe volume and instep. I guess you get what you pay for but this level of quality for the leather should be mentioned. Youre better off looking at the tannery the leather came from and if it had a recognizable leather name (cxl for example) but even within that there are gradations on the product from the same tannery. Now fits comfortably after a substantial break in. Allen Edmonds 65: 10.5D - Okay fit. Velasca is an Italian brand that has become popular (they opened on Chiltern Street recently) as has German brand Shoepassion (which makes in Spain). Its a narrow last with a very high instep. High Top vs Low Top Boxing Shoes: Which Is Best for You? Sure David. US size 8 at the best online prices at eBay! Hoping to get myself a pair soon. One of the biggest such sites in the world, it receives up to 500,000 page views a month. and maybe as far as a 37 in the Tanino, though that is a very rare size. Rafal hails from Poland and is a shoemaker who creates each pair of shoes by himself. Absolutely do not take it 1.5 down from Brannock like Viberg recommends. Check the Noble Shoe eshop for several decent ones. For more comparison, check these pairs out:CARMINA SHOESMEERMIN SHOES. Whites Barrie 8.5D: Felt too tight on the instep brand new. Back to Morjas specifically. REGULATION AND US. C&J have been my staple for more than 20 years, and I find that their 348 and 341 last feel like old friend straight our of the box. Hi Jesper, thanks for the clarification. Would be an excellent fit with a wider toe box and lower instep. Im not the only one. The shoes have a slim bevelled waist (stitched all the way to the heel), a close-cut heel and a leather heel stiffener. I will refrain from commenting on fit unless people think it will be helpful. Arch support was a bit painful the first wear but feels great after a few hours. You get slightly better quality with Carmina at a cheaper price. AEs MacNeil is the epitome of wingtips imho. Jespers site is shoegazing.com. American brands seem to be better at this (Alden, AE). Their leather in general is terrible, even after wearing the shoe almost a year on a regular basis (hoping it will get softer), it keeps being stiff and uncomfortable. Id highly recommend it for more detail all of these brands, particularly on the technical side. 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