And, and the drama begins. So thats, thats February 5, 2019. Malachi 2:16 has been harmfully interpreted & practiced based on twisted translations, Malachi 2 clearly talks about husbands dealing treacherously w their wives these husbands are the ones who hate and divorce 16 The man who hates and divorces his wife, says the Lord, the God of Israel, does violence to the one he should protect, says the Lord Almighty. And I sat and prayed. Dan was one of the elders who fired James McDonald. And I want to help people lead the church well. They should go to the reconciliation team. And again, this was on the churchs dime. And many who have followed this story know what James McDonald has done. (We're a church of around 4,000 members & regular attenders.) I think there was a group in the in the room that would have let him have the microphone that weekend. I said, Sandy, Im so sorry, for what happened on my watch. You do that, and hope that the person will repent, and that they will turn and that therell be restoration. And when I read that, I just shook my head. This is not my judgment but that of his elders from HBC. Imagine such a thing. On that Haiti trip. And learn how MacDonald almost escaped being exposedand how six scathing letters that revealed MacDonalds true nature almost failed to reach the elder board. And you then forwarded them to the elder board. And I know its cost you personally. God will deal with him. And to give you the flavor of the meeting, when I walked in the room, and we all greeted each other, we were in the former executive pastors office around an oval table, and James McDonald sitting across from me. She wanted me to look at it. And there was just this push against a public rebuke. In an email to The Roys Report (TRR), Vernick noted that in the Old Testament, Abigail, the wife of the boorish and immature, Nabal, was a strong woman, married to a weak characterand she wasnt toxic. Marquardt is a Buick GMC dealership where you can expect honesty, integrity and transparency. Those are simply other examples of posts about controversial issues. She was powerful and wise., Similarly, popular marriage and sex author, Sheila Wray Gregoire, wrote to TRR, The idea that a man can only be happy in a marriage when a wife is weaker than him shows that his idea of manhood is an extremely fragile one., As reported by TRR earlier this week, Visconti has publicly announced that he is being mentored by James MacDonald, and MacDonald has preached at Generation Church numerous times this past year. Dr. John Street, the head of counseling at MacArthurs The Masters University, takes a harder line. And at this point, the letters, what had happened with the letters? So Rick was in the meeting, as were others, and they were defending saying the elders should not have the letters. It was positioned as an attack because the ministry was growing and those people were bitter, etc. Christian Rocker Posts Stunning Response to Recent Apostasy of Christian Leaders, Chicago Radio Host & a Former Bodyguard Say James MacDonald Asked Them to Arrange Murders, James MacDonald Took Millions from Harvest & Now Demands Broadcast Ministry, Mancow Airs Shocking Comments By James MacDonald: My Response. . Why is it important to you to let people know what really happened? So for Jim McDonald to say that he didnt remember like, Im not buying it, right? Well, you know, we laugh about it. And we were at an absolute stalemate. For more information on Marquardt Buick go to buyacar123.com. Guest Bios Show Transcript Many times, those who have experienced spiritual abuse are retraumatized when they try to speak about whats happened. You know, they asked him as an executive committee member and the elder board chairman. There were times in the meeting where, you know, I didnt even know what gaslighting was. The G in freemasonry stands for generation. Why would anyone who follows Jesus Christ care what Generation Church thinks about anything? I was literally sitting in a hotel lobby waiting for a pickup at one oclock in the morning to catch an overnight flight back from India. This is the most used and abused (pun intended) argument. John MacArthur, for example, has preached, Scripture does not automatically permit divorce in the case of a physically abusive husband. Instead, MacArthur urges abused wives not to provoke any circumstances that will make your husband become violent. But if he continues to be abusive, The wife should remove herself from danger by fleeing the home if necessary.. In October, Harvest along with lead pastor James MacDonald filed a defamation lawsuit against the author of the World article, Julie Roys, for "asserting false allegations" during her eight . James MacDonald and Harvest: Years of Discord . I mean just absolutely devastating stories and, and feeling the pain. Would you consider making a tax-deductible donation to help our journalists continue to report the truth and restore the church? George of course evangelicalism is [anti-Christ] fundamentalism. Judson is a top ranked Christian university providing a caring community and an excellent college experience. Get new articles and breaking news delivered to your inbox. I remember going home, my wife picked me up, I went home, and I just laid on the couch and looked at her. James Macdonald is a wolf and sadly so many have been fooled by this charlatan. I dont know how many people had heard of it. He was the second longest tenured pastor at Harvest. Harvest Bible Chapel Sues Former Members, Julie Roys for Defamation; Harvest Bible Chapel's chief information officer allegedly stole $270K; Harvest Bible Chapel to launch 'Freedom House' 90-day residential addiction recovery program ; James MacDonald Reflects on 30 Years in Ministry, #MeToo, Millennials and Future of Faith in the US Yeah. Give a gift of $30 or more to The Roys Report this month, and you will receive a copy of "Escaping the Maze of Spiritual Abuse" by Dr. Lisa Oakley and Justin Humphreys. And in those letters like Jacob Ross, who was the bodyguard of James McDonald. Your tax-deductible gift helps our journalists report the truth and hold Christian leaders and organizations accountable. Your tax-deductible gift helps our journalists report the truth and hold Christian leaders and organizations accountable. We turned out to have six witnesses who wrote 28 pages with innumerable charges. Also, in addition to those, you have the letter that was written by eight former elders at Harvest, who brought them in 2012, to the elder board, and within 24 hours, were excommunicated for bringing charges against James McDonald. She said a survey of 20,000 women for her book, The Great Sex Rescue, found that when men make the final decision in the marriage, even if they consult with their wife first, chances of divorce increases 7.4 times . Thankfully, I had headphones on. Divorce is a civil remedy that is necessary when there is abuse, physical, emotional, financial, or even when people are incompatible. Not saying anything about the about the men in the room, but that becomes unwieldy. @Cynthia Wright Love your comment. Come out of her, my people. Nah Gary, thats just typical cat behavior for you, with or without Kenneth Copeland. Yet, Dan, you owned it. I had been investigating Harvest for months. So if youre listening, you need and you havent read those letters, you need to go back and Dean Butters, I mean that one has to be just the emotional impact of the the bullying and the abuse, and then even a video where he mocked a very well known Christian leader because she was getting married in midlife for the first time and mocking her for never having sex before. But to tell people they have to stay in a situation of violence, trauma and harm, or return to it, this is not a core tenet of Christianity. And to hear that, its still got to be pretty tough to stand up to that, or at that point where you like, now I know the truth, Im moving forward. So he did that. I mean, I got exonerated rather quickly. The Roys Report seeks to foster thoughtful and respectful dialogue. There is a solution for our sin in Scripture. We are so embarrassed and disgusted by his gross actions in the last 30 years. However, there were a number of people in the room who did know him and knew him well. Only Gods opinion is what counts. I did not. Im not positive on that. If this passage defines what a strong husband looks like, I think most of the issues take care of themselves. Yes, yeah, there were a number of people. Then the board announced its executive committee would be resigning over the next few months. I payed for you and James. And what happened and all the backroom meetings, private conversations and phone calls leading up to that fateful event? And the pain is overwhelming. Am I right? And I, I look back at those meetings that I was just describing, Julie, I dont I dont say this lightly. So these letters, and this is what I found really riveting about your story, is when these letters were first given, as you said, they were given to pastors, with the exception of Sandys letter that went directly to you. What does the bible say about that? Ryan Visconti, the Arizona pastor platforming discredited celebrity preacher James MacDonald is attracting attention . Your tax-deductible gift helps our journalists report the truth and hold Christian leaders and organizations accountable. We see this is the third article this month youve found worth reading. Voice of James MacDonald Believed to Be Featured in Vulgar Comments. 2. For more information just go to Judsonu.edu/visit. 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If you read his letter, he was going to publish his letter. Leslie said: Julie Roys is a Christian investigative reporter who has called out some big names, and she has suffered for it. I remember saying to the larger board, Guys, it is the grace of God that we have these letters. And youre going to hear all about what happened in those meetings and the strong arm tactics that McDonald used to try and get his way. I remember saying we got to pray. I knew letters were coming to the elder board per First Timothy 5. But I think my kat has watched too much Kenneth Copeland. Hed been the senior pastor the whole time. And that was actually the night we went, we went into the I think we went to one oclock in the morning and actually walked through whether James McDonald was qualified as an elder. It was so much easier to read and understand. Sin has real consequences and sometimes those consequences are permanent. *Correction: A previous version of this story incorrectly reported that Visconti and Generation Church had deleted their social media accounts. Okay thats what Gods word says. And I was still on the board. He was like he started appealing the process. You disseminated down to the elders, and then that became really the sticking point for James, wasnt it? We will talk through it. That was you, wasnt it? . Again, only you and Mike Dunwoody, did that publicly. Its impossible to take evangelicals seriously. When I did, I told her letters were coming in, would she consider writing it. You know, theres, I would say, round two, but I my guess is there were lots of small rounds in there, of people being silenced and bringing charges and, and the board looking the other way. And were talking about a private jet. From the overflow of your heart your mouth (and thumbs) are speaking. It was a battle in the natural but more than that, there was a spiritual battle going on then, and I think its still going on now. And when I look back at it, thats what I think. harmful to the best interests, Disgraced celebrity pastor, James MacDonald, continued his tirade against me and The Roys Report on Tuesday, repeatedly calling me #JRgossipslut and asserting that I am, According to anindependent auditof Harvest Bible Chapel, disgraced celebrity pastor, James MacDonald, siphoned off millions in church funds to support his lavish lifestyle. Thats a Tuesday night. TRR reached out to Visconti numerous times for comment about his partnership with MacDonald and his provocative social media posts, but Visconti did not respond. Would you consider making a tax-deductible donation to help our journalists continue to report the truth and restore the church? Also, any comments with profanity, name-calling, and/or a nasty tone will be deleted. "I was sitting in the back seat. Harvest didnt know what it looked like to not have him as a senior pastor. And everybody had to say, right? We STILL confuse sex and gender, which leads to conflating a lot of issues when discussing this. And the things that were done to them after they left. (Julie Roys) Eight years ago, prominent author and pastor, John MacArthur, strongly warned the Moody Bible Institute about its association with now-disgraced celebrity pastor, James MacDonald. So I mean, again, this was round. Well she finally called Julie Jezebel Roys I invited Julie to appear in a public forum before and interested audience and answer for the many many lies she has told about me and my family as well as her bullying of anyone who opposes her or stands with us. And I, the next day, I wrote and said, Well, okay, I respect your wishes. Do you expect ANYONE to say yes to your question. If youd like to find me online, just go to Julieroys.com. Following allegations of years-long bullying and financial misconduct, the lead pastor and executive team of an Association of Related Churches (ARC) megachurch, Everyone was laughing and goading, like it was a jokeuntil it wasnt. I stepped into a conference room. Understanding & Overcoming Spiritual Abuse, Part II, Understanding & Overcoming Spiritual Abuse, Escaping & Healing from Abusive Churches, Part 2. Like, I cant believe this. To myself, I said, and do our job. I just knew the Lord made it clear I had to do it. You really didnt know at that point, whether he was going to get fired, or resign, or what was going to happen until Mancow Muller aired those vulgar excerpts from this hot mic recording that James McDonald didnt know he was on mic. when men make the final decision in the marriage, even if they consult with their wife first, chances of divorce increases 7.4 times . I dont understand how folks in a church can continue to contribute to the church knowing that a significant portion of their contributions have gone / are going to line someones pocket in this dispute. #JRgossipslut James MacDonald (@jamesmacdonald) June 15, 2021 Had it not been for that recording, I mean, what do you think? Thats right. Gosh she is just filthy with gossip as fact and at very best half the story. And my job was to get it to fellow elder board. So what happened? Yes, it is. Theres a number of narratives out there right now about how these letters came to the elder board. Had they reached all the elders at this point? Thats thats a much harder relaunch. Wow! How can a husband love his wife as Christ loved the church when he is emotionally, mentally, physically, and sexually abusive? Were just talking a minute ago, you know, the emotion and the weight and the relief and the sadness, and all those things are true. to Rick Donald. If I were still trying to please man, I would not be a servant of God, and Proverbs, etc. And then immediately after I felt that relief, I thought of Betsy Corning. I know a lot of people look at this. And I stopped my car. So that tells you something about the backbone and the integrity of Dan Marquardt. The pastor of the largest church in Minnesota (around 23,000 average . Just finished my post on clarifiers that will precede the deception lists. Well, because Scripture says you do it in front of everybody. It is grounds for separation but not divorce., This view is popular in fundamentalist Christian circles. And I looked at it, and I could not read the whole letter in one sitting. I asked Sandy Song to potentially write a letter. And they said, I remember Dan telling me that that James slammed his fist on the table. Yet another American megachurch is immersed in accusations of wrongdoings. The devil is at work. So lets move on to these letters. There was just an absolute refusal to rebuke him publicly. Can you share what was in it? I just thought, yeah. There was just enough false doctrine so that it was swallowed up with the truth. That this was all a plot by him that he was vengeful, towards James McDonald. And he conspired with these staff to bring these letters because they all just were out to get James. Tell Harvest Church board hows the fruit now? Yeah Cynthia. It does. We knew what we knew what we were going to do. Well, youre welcome. Hes asking for money. And then if you could, please share the podcast on social media so more people can hear about this great content. Dan currently is an executive and leadership coach and the founder of Front Seat Leadership. No One Knows. Prominent evangelical scholar, author, and missiologist, Ed Stetzer, is leaving his position as executive director of Wheaton Colleges The Billy Graham Center, Despite being disqualified from public ministry by his former megachurch for a pattern of sinful behavior, James MacDonald is preaching at Generation, An Arizona megachurch has hired Landon MacDonald as a lead pastor, despite allegations MacDonald bullied and abused those in his care while. It wasnt an easy thing to do. I thought the weight was dealing with everything else in there was a weight, but that was the weight. And as people rotated through, there were newer people on the board, and they wouldnt have really had a lot of access to to James McDonald. Thank you Jesus, Amen. And marital and sexual satisfaction plummet.. We see this is the third article this month youve found worth reading. Instead of focusing on who is stronger and who is weaker, why dont we focus on how both of us can be strong for the kingdom and live out the calling that God has given to each of us individually and as a couple?, Visconti also posted recently on his Instagram story that abuse is not a biblical justification for divorce. Send your questions about the Bible, ministry, or personal matters below. Literally more than two dozen people. The Roys Report seeks to foster thoughtful and respectful dialogue. In the area (a south metro suburb of Minneapolis, MN ), that's just the average cost of a house. I knew that I wasnt going to win any arguments in the room. These were people bringing charges against an elder. So far, I feel the leadership of my current church embodies this well. Its come to this. And I got the text. Great! There were elders and influential families that spoke against Moses in the desert, God destroyed them and their families. If youre truly interested in hearing other views ask why or tell me how you landed there. You know, Ive been here the whole time. Judson is located on a beautiful 90 acre campus just 36 miles northwest of Chicago. . And I read all these verses, and we were talking about it. Would you consider making a tax-deductible donation to help our journalists continue to report the truth and restore the church? Maybe if the shoe was on the other foot and the men were the ones being abused we might hear them singing a different tune. Honestly dont to this day. Like Tullian Tchvidjian, he would be a great salesman. Also, any comments with profanity, name-calling, and/or a nasty tone will be deleted. The leaders were brought together. Because it was still a time when many elders were not admitting any of the wrongs that they had done. On Thursday, Im in a meeting with him where honestly, Julie, they were trying to convince me and the other elders in the room that hadnt been in previous meetings to let him resign. And when he sees he cant save it, it sounds like then he was trying to lobby for being able to resign, and a lot of emotional manipulation being used that weekend from from what youve told me. Welcome to The Roys Report, a podcast dedicated to reporting the truth and restoring the church. Longtime leader of the Chicago-area megachurch Harvest Bible Chapel James MacDonald has been ousted as senior pastor in light of unsavory remarks he made on a hot mic that were aired on local media Tuesday. Ive already told you there was consensus from board. And and that would be my word to James McDonald. Think of the godly ones youve known and thank God for them. You can review it. So then James McDonald flies in, right? Pastor Platforming James MacDonald Says Strong Women with Weak Husbands Become 'Toxic' By Julie Roys December 22, 2022 5:39 pm CST 26 Comments Pastor Ryan Visconti of Generation Church in Mesa, Arizona, is attracting attention for his partnership with James MacDonald and provocative social media posts. It was a four hour meeting. Well, again, joining me today is Dan George, a former elder at Harvest, and one of only two former elders whos apologized to me personally, for some of the nasty things that were said about me when I was reporting on the church and James McDonald. But so much else not owned. First he used to walk up and down the isles and second it was a bit more exegetical than primarily exhortation based and those dynamics flipped. But the other letters, my understanding is they came in, and youre in a meeting with the other elders. If hes ok with lies, that calls into question everything he preaches. What really caused Harvest Bible Chapel to fire James MacDonald? But by the time we were done that night, the decision that night was two things. When Christian leaders continue to teach that abuse does not constitute biblical grounds for divorce they are wrong, Vernick wrote. And the demands that James McDonald made to try to go home a day early. Julie Roys lives for her anti gospel, anti authority, man hating bias - even partnering with shock jocks like Mancow Muller or worse. Church, Ministry News I was thrown out of the church we gave our lives to by a group of rogue leaders, MacDonald writes. As youll hear in this podcast, there was a strong push to suppress those letters by those loyal to James McDonald. It looks like these contemporary churches are just fundamentalists in different garb. What is the point of bringing this pastors political views into the story? It was a Wednesday or Thursday night on the Rolling Meadows campus. And he said, you know, James Macdonald had requested that I come out to a meeting and he had requested Mike Dunwoody and one other elder Mark Hopwood was a longtime elder from Elgin that we would all join them for a meeting at seven oclock on that Thursday night. The Asbury Revival Is Over. Ron Duitsman, Chairman of the Board, who agreed to fire James, now appears to be out there, saying that after James got fired, that the elders were were spinning what happened in a false way. I wish Id never done it. How can we approve this? Julie. The airing accelerated the timeline. This is the passage. Theres 30 men in the room. Tell me about that meeting and what he did. Dan George served as an elder at Harvest Bible Chapel over a period of 10 years, actively serving on the elder board from 2010 through 2015, and rejoining the board in late 2018. Because your article seemed to conflate all these things. I hope you have a great day and God bless. And so when they started arguing the process, I was just like, Oh, my gosh, thats what were just gonna talk about the process. The Roys Report seeks to foster thoughtful and respectful dialogue. No one takes joy in doing this. So grateful to be healthy and happy in the Lord to where I can finally wade into the filth from JuLIE Roys. Six people who I doubt wherever actually all in the same room. Lets try little role reversal here. But according. And I had already written back to Executive Committee Chairman at the time and said, we cannot say unconditional support. That was really wrongdoing at Harvest, would be to repent. And we got to a Saturday meeting then on the ninth. Now what we did do is there were probably I dont remember the number Julie. Not all the elders had physical copies of the letters at that point. Same room all just were out to get James are retraumatized when they try to speak about happened... 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