Journey back to the beginning of the horror as you create a unique story told through several generations of families obsessed with the house. Unfortunately, it was two spaces away and she only had one ranged weapon. Oops! Betrayal Legacy is a gaming experience I will never forget. Learn how your comment data is processed. It was a perfect touch that really brought the game home for me. We killed an innocent cook! . Each player adds one to a different spoke on the Helm at the start of Game 3, to get the ball rolling. Betrayal Legacy is now available wherever board games are sold. It wasnt a mechanic that existed in any of the other Betrayal versions Id seen, gave us a new place to explore, and really changed how we had to view some of the Haunts. Instead, most of the Legacy elements were confined to cards and tiles, which might or might not come up in future games, and which would likely be forgotten by the time they did. But we cant keep making our own fun. Figure 3-1: Its pretty cool that the increasing number of tiles and omens is leading to larger houses in these later eras; but for once, the Hearth is on the wrong side of the hall! This was a great bit of Legacy because it felt like it permanently changed the house in a way that nothing else did before. The traitor wins again. It runs over centuries, of course, so there will be new characters, with new bonuses to come. There we go. You can access all my other Betrayal posts HERE. Not all Items can be made into Heirlooms. She apologized to John, fired the Crossbow, killed the monster, and stood as the Crossbow became engulfed in flames; an unholy weapon of the damned. This time around theres some bloody doll thats trying to do some blood ritual to become all powerful, or something like that. Obviously, there are spoilers here for Betrayal Legacy, but each entry should only talk about the surprises up to that date. So, well see repercussions of this game, mainly in new ways that the house is haunted, for the rest of our campaign. Nonetheless, this article uses the word traitor because thats what Betrayal does. Let us know your thoughts in the comments section below, but please keep them spoiler-free for everyone else. Co-op:Betrayal is always a bit of a weird cooperative game in its pre-Haunt phase because youre individually exploring and dont really want to help anyone else when anyone could be the traitor*. So somewhere after Haunt 6, something should have told us to open door 3 in the folio infernum and get access to, and start placing gate stickers? The person who used the helm the most is a traitor. So ourBetrayal Legacyplay ends here, alas. Another starts with certain tiles of the board already discovered. Skip Navigation Accessibility Feedback Toggle Sidebar Show Menu. Truly this thing is pleasing, but is nothing before the . Co-op:The co-op rules have also been getting more complex, and this time we non-traitors have a three-part process: (step i) find and memorize runes; (step ii) make a crib for an evil baby; and (step iii) kill the evil baby. These seemingly minor details can have major implications by the end of the campaign. One more warning, this post will contain massive spoilers for anyone who hasn't completed the campaign. One of my favorite Legacy games is Betrayal Legacy. Also, none of them say to read entry 206 although if you look at it it's obvious that's supposed to be the final thing to read, considering you tear up the bleak journal when you are done with it. Its not a surprise that its in the game, a flap for the package overlaps a section of the insert letting you know its in the bottom of the box. we looked through the purgatory deck, through the tomb. It wasn't very clear anywhere I could find. Heres an admission: none of us were fans ofBetrayal at House on the Hillgoing into ourBetrayal Legacycampaign. You have been warned. Gameplay Overview: I'm going to make this review as spoiler free as possible since I don't want to ruin anyone's Betrayal Legacy experience. No, we still dont know what this means, but were told the next Chapter will be Part II of the game. Legacy:Obviously, all you can do in the first game of a Legacy campaign is set up Legacy elements. Betrayal Legacy is also smart for what it does and does not take from the original Betrayal. She was the last person to go before the monsters won. It really was that much fun. If this card is drawn it starts haunt 0. The design of this insert was so good that it made getting rid of it seem foolish since it organized everything so well, and perfectly held a second box of miniatures for when the game goes from old world aesthetic to a more modern focus. Click to share on Facebook (Opens in new window), Click to share on Twitter (Opens in new window), Click to share on LinkedIn (Opens in new window), Click to share on Reddit (Opens in new window), Click to share on Tumblr (Opens in new window), Click to share on Pinterest (Opens in new window), Click to share on Pocket (Opens in new window), Click to share on Telegram (Opens in new window), Click to share on WhatsApp (Opens in new window), Click to share on Skype (Opens in new window). Lost travelers with too much to lose. This shows us that a branch of many colours is a way of sharing the benefits at these times. We werecertainthat none of us were a witch, and yet we also werent. The more focused approach to haunts in Betrayal Legacy, as opposed to Betrayal at House on the Hill's randomized approach, allows for more creative storytelling and game manipulation. For more information, please see our Theyre also integral to the third Haunt, which (thankfully) adds a second level of complexity to the cooperative play. We do. It's not a surprise that it's in the game, a flap for the package overlaps a section of the insert letting you know it's in the bottom of the box. Learn how your comment data is processed. The discovery is managed by a clever little mechanism where each of these peoples cultiness is defined by the sum of three hidden number chits. Chapter Four: 1797 The Haunted Furniture. Oh, theoretically you might have a temporary tactical alliance when youre all working to kill a certain player, but you might not. No finality, no wrapping up the overaching narrative of "Him", just done? Sure, over the course of the game we see a few Legacy items, but they again never get to the right people. If other people who have finished can point out something we may have missed, or possibly a WoG or errata related to these, it would be much appreciated. But now that were four games in, were more looking forward to seeing how things advance, because it feels like the Legacy and the co-op play are clicking in a way that they werent early on. through ALL the events and items. We've just played chapter 3 (I know, I'm risking so many spoilers being here), so have only brought it out of its resting place. SPOILER Betrayal: Legacy SPOILERS we missed a key part but don't know where *SPOILER* . We all win or lose as a group. How many stickers should each player have on the helm when you're finished with setup and actually start playing chapter 3? What happens in between games is the most interesting part of Betrayal Legacy. It has to have been mentioned during the final scenario as several of the cards reference the Mundane Elevator specifically so it can't have transformed before that. However, I will note that the group I played this with included one person who doesnt like horror games and one person who doesnt like competitive games and we all had a blast. Just know there are so many smart ways Betrayal Legacy plays with expectations of those familiar with vanilla Betrayal. Asmallbit of additional Legacy was introduced in this second game because the game (theoretically) could be won by either the traitor or the cooperators. Parts of the house are expanded and destroyed, or otherwise permanently altered based on the outcomes of certain missions. I didnt actually realize this until I saw an interview on Geek & Sundry with designer Rob Daviau. There are many new mechanics and twists I would love to talk about, but doing so would dampen the excitement for players who haven't discovered them yet. But it still feels a lot more one dimensional. Playing the same board game with the same group of players over a dozen times doesn't sound like the best way to spend multiple nights . Another problem was a lack of player agency, not just in the game itself (always a problem inBetrayal), but in the campaign. We all knew it would be bad, but we all had different reactions to it. So my group and I just played chapter 12 and since we crossed out chapter 13 at some point months ago (Due to unfinished painting event) I guess we are done? However the ramp-up of the cooperation may have been more problematic, as we moved through: (p) no cooperation; (1) tactical fighting; (2) minimal strategic cooperation; and (3) multi-stage strategic cooperation. . If youd ask me to list everything I expected to do while playing Betrayal Legacy I dont think I would have guessed opening portals to other worlds. Elegant. Each miniature has two different 'characters' attached to it, such as the Scientist doubling as a Preacher Man. We want to push on and play chapter 13 but will it not work for some reason because of elements we would have destroyed or something? We do, he does, and the good guys win for the first time ever. You have been warned. There is not too much that needs explaining, except that its ability can only be used by each player, once per game. I was actively trying to get that third check to read story and see the horror unleashed. The cooperative and storytelling elements are as good as they were before. Take a second to support Shannon Appelcline on Patreon! It was an amazing move. Figure 2-3: Our family histories are another minor bit of Legacy. This game, we actually dont initiate the Haunt until the fourth omen symbol comes up, and that means that weve mapped out a large number of rooms. Are you interested in playing Betrayal Legacy with your group? Our first clue is a really big number on Octavia (we think its a 9, but it turns out to be a 6). You put one sticker on as part of the setup for chapter 3, but we aren't sure if you put a sticker on when you first pull You destroy the deed. Or could I make someone else reroll their dice? * Betrayal at House on the Hill (2004) and its derivatives uses the word traitor for their evil players, but its not a traitor as we define it in Meeples Together. Next game were going to see our stickers on the helm, were going to remember our usage of this item, and maybe feel like we overdid it. No finality, no wrapping up the overaching narrative of "Him", just done? We do. Its a good model for teaching a game in parts, but the danger is that you start off with a game thats too simple and so doesnt interest players. However, there is a bit of depth: we can stun the furniture while fighting, then drag it to the fire, and we can also INVOKE to move it on its own. I was incredibly impressed when I was told to grab that box. But can you only use the the Helm Rerolls on your own dice? I didnt talk about the inhabitants, the little girl, the Doctor, or so many other things. In other words, its totally on us. Honestly, its not the most interesting storyline, but the gameplay makes up for it. Speaking of which. So I removed some of the edges (and in the process made it round instead of hexagonal). but we can't find what? This is great since new people playing your copy wont have anything major from the story spoiled for them if they decide to get the game later. Betrayal Legacy Ending Questions (Spoilers included) One more warning, this post will contain massive spoilers for anyone who hasn't completed the campaign. 3y Castles Of Burgundy I like the idea of revisiting the baby shark chant. I could have gone on. John asked her multiple times not to kill anything with it. The instructions in the Rule book simply say draw a random Rune token . The example is playable. but Pelase, can someone tell us where we should have started seeing gates. Killing three people with the Crossbow. So place your sticker on a branch that doesnt already contain one of your colour. The insanely climactic finale wouldn't be believable had it been scripted. I like the idea of revisiting the baby shark chant. We often found the original game too random, and we felt like the long turns and variable length games often resulted in some or all players never getting off their feet, and so not getting to really experience the adventurous elements of the game. All the resources here are offered free, but if you found a post useful, and you are in a position to help, I will gratefully accept any support. We stream live on twitch at twitch.tv/QuestsAndChaos every Monday, Tuesday, and Saturday evenings in PST (Pacific Time Zone) A new mechanic that can only be used once, is easy to forget about, during the course of exploring the house, so just try and keep it in mind, once you read it. That small piece of paranoia was just perfectly placed. If youve never tried a Betrayal game then I suggest seeking out and giving the original a chance with the knowledge that some of the things that dont work there have been tweaked for the Legacy game. Have you already started your journey through the campaign? Back to the house. We define a traitor in a co-op game as someone who's purposefully lying in wait, trying to wreck the cooperation. Obviously, there are spoilers here for Betrayal Legacy, but each entry should only talk about the surprises up to that date. Until the end. Now it (barely) fits within the build volume of an Ender 3. My final rating on the game was a 9.8 and I stand behind that. One mission immediately starts with a haunt, for example. Has the added benefit of permitting the Helm to be moved without sullying it with our unworthy human fingers. There are a cook and a farmhand, who we name Octavia and Ed. There is still some strategic play, with several players running around and smashing so that a final player can INVOKE to close the portal, but its still a big step down from Chapters Two and Three, which had multi-stage strategic cooperation that we thought would be the new normal for the game, but which has largely disappeared in the games since. It was such a great way to walk off. Its kind of intriguing, but not something we actually experienced in this game. We maximize our health tactically, and that lets us find the cure in the nick of time. Legacy:The Legacy elements also feel more interesting in this game. - YouTube Join Quests and Chaos as they Learn how to play through the board game Betrayal Legacy by Rob Daviau, and. Each mission is set around 20 years after the previous one, meaning you could be playing the child, niece or cousin of your character from a previous game. We would quickly go from friends to enemies once a traitor was revealed. You can access all my other Betrayal posts HERE. Honestly, were still not thrilled: this second Haunt is so basic. This is the first game that entirely clicked for us, and thats in large part because the amount of time before the haunt has been increasing each game: there was only one omen in the first game, two in the second, and three in the third, pushing the Haunt back a little each time. But inBetrayal Legacy, all players can do is choose whether to mark Legacy items (which they do if they can) and whether to win or lose (but thats scarcely achoice). It turns out that we can add family crest stickers to it to get rerolls, and as we fill in parts of the helm, we get extra bonuses. We just finished the campaign and I've got a few questions. Join Quests and Chaos as they Learn how to play through the board game Betrayal Legacy by Rob Daviau, and released by Avalon Hill of Wizards of the Coast. I was hooked at that moment. Every one of these had three boxes. So I know you can put your family crest on the helm for a reroll, but . This post contains Hints & Tips for someone who has played up to Game 2 and is preparing to play Game 3. However, this is until you add a specific card to the decks. We didnt think it was going to happen in game 8. Still, it also provides more opportunity to wear down the foes resources. You can access all my other Betrayal posts HERE. As it turns out, the cooperation ofBetrayal Legacyramps up in complexity and meaningfulness over the first four or so sessions of play, but this was not a great first look for a game that was supposed to be a co-op. Enter your email address to subscribe to this blog and receive notifications of new posts by email. The arrival of the Helm. We hadnt even come close to filling the thing and here we were getting betrayed by it. It will contain **Spoilers up to and including Game 2**. Elegant. Obviously it was cursed and anyone who used it was doomed. This time one of the characters is possessed by an evil axe-murdering spirit. The introduction of NPCs (non player characters) are another fun addition to the game. You're free to disagree, of course, but you would be wrong. (At least thats my hope; I do still have some concern that we might have just gotten lucky with our Legacy elements in our fourth game but Ill check in with you in three or four months to say for sure.). One weird Legacy item does show up at the end of the game: a helm that we can place our family crest stickers upon. We just finished the campaign and I've got a few questions. Mind you,Betrayal Legacysuffers somewhat from the lack of task stabilization discussed on page 88 ofMeeples Together: every time someone attacks a foe, the foe gets an opportunity to attack them back. This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. This time, one of our number is possessed by their mirror copy from another dimension, who then tries to assimilate the rest of the characters (or else kill them). Will Betrayal Legacy match our love of the classic horror? . Also that they let the first person to die know that there wasnt a witch just in case people were confused was so nice. Essentially, a completed copy of Betrayal Legacy is a completely unique version of Betrayal at House on the Hill, shaped by the decisions you made during the campaign. Join Quests and Chaos as they Learn how to play through the board game Betrayal Legacy by Rob Daviau, and released by Avalon Hill of Wizards of the Coast. More Geek Sites RPGGeek VideoGameGeek Geek Events. It will contain **Spoilers up to and including Game 2**. We do have a bit of fun, talking about how theres always a secret passage off to the left of the front door, and sure enough. Press J to jump to the feed. As we were approaching the 1900, we joked about how out of place some of the character models would be. To preserve anyone's experience, this review will be spoiler-free. The "traitor" in the Betrayals is a player who's suddenly selected to become an openly evil player halfway through the game. There is a pair of linked actions: PREPARE, then SMASH, which you can use together to gather a bunch of mirror monsters together before destroying them but one player can do it all, eliminating the possibility of strategic cooperation between the players. Drop a comment below and Ill compile a commenters list at some point in the future. Thats because theres no way to provide help in the Otherworlds, and once the resources are recovered, theyre mostly in the form of curses that cant be traded away. The number was actually a 6 and her other two numbers were low! . We had a situation where the traitor was These are the ten things that really stuck with me when we finished. The second set of miniatures. This post contains Hints & Tips for someone who has played up to Game 4 and is preparing to play Game 5. Of course, if you didn't find Betrayal at House on the Hill to be fun, you might not love Betrayal Legacy. Take a second to support Shannon Appelcline on Patreon! The game once more degenerates into a big fight, but this time its us vs. him, instead of everyone for himself. You could have one person say baby shark and then everyone else could answer with do do doodoo all in monotone like you did before. At the start of the Haunt in Game 4, the chosen player will have healed all their traits, and anyone else on that branch of the Helm will have healed 1 of their traits. I enjoyed the game, but havent gotten to a place where Im ready to buy a second copy and go back into that house. The way the haunt endscouldbe used to as a Legacy element in future games, but that doesnt occur in the Prologue because its a total railroad, which means theres only one way for it to end. Certainly, the addition of any new rules system is to a Legacy games benefit and the addition of new places to explore even moreso. I am sure you will have noticed that it is full of empty spaces that are just the right shape to hold Crest stickers. I will hide the exact purpose of it under a Spoiler tag, for those that want to start the game unknowing. Figure 1-1: Our second house sprawls more. But even when we pull up events that I am pretty sure came from the results of other games, Im not sure what theyre evoking. This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. There were two more interactive Legacy mechanics. Betrayal Legacy is a legacy game, based on Betrayal at House on the Hill. Legacy: Were back to the core Legacy play being relatively shallow, though our cooperative play helps a few of the Legacy items get to the right people. This first session almost turned us off the whole game, because we felt manipulated in a clumsy and obvious way. Well probably find the new additions from this game even more memorable, because there are a few mirror-related events as well as a tile that actually gets stickered over(!). As you play through the game youll never find a way to trigger Haunt 0. To be fair we knew something bad was going to happen to whoever used the Helm; that was obvious. All the resources here are offered free, but if you found a post useful, and you are in a position to help, I will gratefully accept any support. We come under attack from a disease, which sends us search the Otherworlds, because thats the new mechanic. There's an overarching narrative throughout the entire campaign, and many of the pieces added to the story are discovered based on how games end. . We had decided that this would be our last play ofBetrayal Legacyunless the Otherworlds was sufficiently innovative to revamp a gameplay that had gotten stale and never lived up to its Legacy potential. Co-op:As the axe murderer is known, theres opportunity in this second game for some simple, tactical cooperation among the cooperating players. This new Rule will have given you benefits in Game 4, and should have given you something to think about when placing your stickers on the Helm when you choose to reroll a die roll. but we can't see it. The history you tell is one you create. First, players must recover reagents in the form of curses and items from the Otherworlds; then they must STUDY them; then they must PREPARE an antidote. We now need to discover which one is the cult leader (step i) before killing them (step ii). We split up trying to solve runes while at the same time keeping our big Knowledge guy in the background to make the crib. The arrival of the Helm. From the end of the prologue one of the players owned the house. As Ive seen my own groups games of Pandemic Legacy: Season Two and SeaFall expand, Ive regretted not chronicling that expansion over time. Betrayal Legacy Hints & Tips - Game 1 - You can only Heirloom an Item at the moment you draw the card from the Item deck. After the final dice rolls we all stood and applauded, capable only of muttering "holy shit" to ourselves. Inhabitants Ive dug out all of the stuff in every Legacy game Ive bought; I make a point of it when sorting the bits. I love that idea, which is why Ive been so enthusiastic writing about the categorysLegacy Play, Legacy Venn, Legacy Mechanics, and Legacy Emotions in past articles. we play the game and win (woohoo) and no rules come up for gates. So, players are strategically cooperating, but theres very little of the more interesting tactics which occasionally appeared on the peripheries of previous adventures. Playing the same board game with the same group of players over a dozen times doesn't sound like the best way to spend multiple nights, but the way Betrayal Legacy shifts and changes after each playthrough made every game feel fresh and unique. In other words, wed wanted to see if the Otherworlds were interesting enough to get us to continue play, and if anything, they moved the game in the opposite direction. Its tons of fun, with a great story, and really interesting mechanics. This also feeds into another entry later on. This can be for attack, defense, an Event card or a Haunt roll. While those familiar with Betrayal at House on the Hill can open the box and start playing right away, even the most seasoned Betrayal vets should have no idea what to expect. Enter your email address to subscribe to this blog and receive notifications of new posts by email. My friend John had the Crossbow as a family heirloom. A look at one of my favorite Legacy Games and the story moments that stood out. The core gameplay features are all the same, and while some changes to rules do iron out issues found in Betrayal, each game is largely a similar experience. Every one of us is convinced its a trap but every one of us put a sticker on it this game, and it may well be why we beat the Haunt. This ensures players will have the tiles needed to finish each mission, and helps tell each mission's story and add to the worldbuilding. However, it looks to me like they are all just flavor text and nothing changes for any of them. To be fair this one wasnt revealed during the story so much as at the very end. This allows our first bit of strategic cooperation, as we run to different locations in the house to reveal these clues. 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