If it was all a elaborate part of Bill's initiation into the order. Somerton could hardly be> >>>>>> described (and>> certainly not by Bill) as a 'party. Her pubic hair is trimmed just like Mandy's Pubic hair. And of course how did > the mask get on his pillow? WebThe protagonists mask (Bill Harford, interpreted by Tom Cruise) is a Venetian mask that covers the entire face. (meaning > the Mysterious woman), ME"So..Victor the woman lying dead at the morgue was the> women at the party, well Victor, maybe i'm missing something > but what kind of Charade ends up with someone dead.". (3) With the advent of cyberspace, and just simple disinterest many newspaper companies have gone under. I never said Bill recognized him.we get to recognize him when > we study it. He obtains the secret password to a clandestine masked ball, where he has a seductive encounter with a beautiful stranger. When Bill thinks hes just about to score his own sexual liaison, his charade is exposed. Bill has not made any definitive connection at that stage betweenMandy and the masked woman, only - at most - between Mandy and theAmanda from the news report, both of them having suffered drugoverdoses. The 'mystery' is how SHE knows that he is an interloper. When we see the naked corpse's face from the overhead shot, at first it's hard to tell if it's really Mandy's face, because of the expression and the angle, her combed back hair etc. Is that how > you> would describe it? But I agree the way it is done is brilliant and it leaves all of us unsure of everything, opening up infinite possibilites as to what it all means. >> First of all, Mandy must have felt some connection with Bill since he >> was showing her concern and kindness in the Bathroom.>, > Bill in that scene was simply behaving as a (not very) professional> doctor; and he seemed just as concerned about Ziegler's anxiety than> about Mandy's actual wellbeing. It's not like > he is going to voice all his thoughts.>>>, >> >>>>>> But which 'party' is Bill referring to? For instance,it's fairly obvious from the start who the Mysterious Woman is. ", wrote:> In rec.arts.movies.past-films Harry Bailey . 2. Desire is always Other. That would not be valuable or insightful speculation, but a totaldenial of most of what happens in the film (another variation of 'it'sall just a dream', everything being attributable to the delusions ofBill's mind, a denial of the world of social power, similar to sayingthat everything that happens to Jack Torrance in The Shining is all'in his mind'). <<<<<<<<, > In the spur of the moment people might first recognize voices, > subliminally. > >>>>>> But which 'party' is Bill referring to? (1) As more people opt for lasik surgery, he will not be able to hide behind those specs. The way Zeigler confirms it was Mandy is matter of fact and it isn't as though Bill seemed surprised at this--even if the audience might still be confused. Nah, the only dreams in the movie are the one that Alice tells to Billand then Bill "daydreams' (thinks about) her having sex with thatsailor. The Daily Planet may go under too. > anything and 2. never actually spoke (just some unintelligible > mumbling),<<<, > No, she clearly says "sorry" to Zeigler when he says "you gave us a scare > kiddo" and then Bill asks her, "How are you feeling now Mandy?" WebThere are constant hints throughout the film of it being a story about one man's ego and insecurities. The goal of yoga practice was to STOP all that useless babble---because that is how a person actually makes the breakthrough to see reality as it is. 10 Stanley Kubricks Sudden Death. This is Eyes Wide Shut revisited. Not only are they the REAL "anti-intellectuals," they were schizoid as hell and projected it onto the social mess, creating political gibberish, that has NO usefulness to anyone. And even if it was clear, even if he hadreferred directly to the events of the night before as the (Somerton)party, it would still be uncertain, because. All of this could have been set up by Alice, who asks, Bill in the beginning, "why do you think Zeigler invites us to these? The poolroom scene is an amazing piece of extreme understatement, while at the same time, being simplke and concrete. Web1-48 of 339 results for "Eyes Wide Shut Mask" RESULTS Price and other details may vary based on product size and color. >In a big crowd of masked people, Zeigler (his eyes give away who he is), So why didn't Bill also recognise the identity of this masked figureon the basis of his eyes?<<<<<<<<<<<<. I trhink Steven Lizberger is right. That is a possible explanation. >>>>>>>>>>> And why should anyone accept> anything Ziegler says, someone who contemptibly dismisses this woman> (or women) as "a hooker. The main point, was that that kind of mental approach to things, is actually the biggest impediment to focusing the mind. > the same time, being simple and concrete. <<<<<<<> ceremony/orgy.>, > Again, how is it 'clearly' the same voice?>. and then Bill says, "..you can't keep doing > this," Mandy says, "Ya." WebThe bodies of more completely nude masked women assail Bills voyeuristic eyes (and those of the audience). -Herodotus, You do not have permission to delete messages in this group, Either email addresses are anonymous for this group or you need the view member email addresses permission to view the original message, I thought the woman who ODd at the dance party (Mandy), the woman who, Well, in the interview with "Mandy" - I don't care to look up her name, Here is a youtube video of "Mandy" (Julienne Davis), singing in her band, I sent a message to the YouTube person who hosted those "Mandy" videos if. Alot was going on, he had to figure it out. It's totally clear the "party' in this reference, is Somerton. What a joke to call them "philosophers." And coming from the newsgroup'sresident acid-headed, solipsistic zombie. So check out Mandy's Wink on the slab---it's very fast, but it is there:), Yeah but he used the same actor for different roles in Dr Strangeloveand in some scenes of Eyes Wide Shut he has Cruise on a treadmillagainst a blue screen using real photography of NYC behind him, thenin the next scene Cruise is filmed against a set in england. Perhaps the conspiracies surrounding Eyes Wide Shut began when the maker of the film, Stanley Kubrick, died only days after the first viewing of it. I enjoy the > mystery entirely and will return to it over and over and could watch the > film again and again.>, >>>>>>>>>>>>> And if this firgure was Ziegler, why would he subsequently> send a naked masked woman over to Bill for his benefit? The point, however, is that even if all three female'characters' are the same woman (and so, effectively, the samecharacter), this serves to set up even more contradictions, not tomention buying in to Ziegler's warped, patriarchal world."<<<<<<<<<<. I agree though, he hadnt made a defintiive connection yet. I agree though, he hadnt made a defintiive connection yet. Mon 14th Feb 2022 19.00 GMT. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<. Even had Alice found it in the cadenza, would > she have recognized it as meaningful and taken it?>> Even though much was 'cleared" up there are still major mysteries here. <<<<<<<<. >>on the balcony looking down at Bill, knows that it is him and nodded to >>him. My extra-fat dictionary yields the following: "rhi'zome, n. A rootlike stem under or along the ground,ordinarily in a horizontal position, which usually sends out roots fromfrom its lower surface and leafy shoots from its upper surface.". In a > case like that a pwerson would go through the various possibilities in his > mind, but he was kinda busy. But that's not the half of it. I think this feeling of > guilt and outrage at a murder, would be the first thing on his mind. As 1999 approached, what little was known about Eyes Wide Shut was almost indecently tantalising. Is that how youwould describe it? Orgy? > I am still on the side of those who think SK left that scene of the > reflection of the sound man holding the boom mike at his crotch, in the > crome tub enclosure, on purpose, that the DVD edited out. ">> "I saw her body in the morgue. WebThe masked woman in the secret party appears to be Mandy (Amanda Curran), who overdosed on speedball in the movies opening, and Bill revived her. Please either stop orshape up. WebChords for Backward Priests, normal version of Masked Ball Eyes wide shut with lyrics. Yes, the three scenes - at Ziegler's party, at the Somerton ritualthe following night, and at the hospital morgue the next day - thatfeature Mandy/the 'masked woman' - remain ambiguous to the end. We need some upstart director and SK devotee who can channel SK, to Make EWS part 2. >>>>>>>>>If this were really the> case, wouldn't Bill have recognised that voice when speaking to the> masked woman at Somerton, instead of asking her "Who are you?" Mandy was not the same woman. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<, -- Dennis/Endyhttp://home.comcast.net/~endymion91/~I was born to rock the boat. But what he was getting at was whether it was murder and a sacrifice for him, which makes him feel responsible, since it would not have happened had he not been there. andpleading with her to take off her mask? <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<, > This is still a mystery. WebIn Kubrick's Eyes Wide Shut, the protagonist Bill arrives at a secret party/orgy: Shortly after arriving, he is warned by a masked woman to leave ASAP. Now that's out of the way, a brief introduction. You saw > her volunteer to sacrifice herself so the orgy managers would let Doctor > Cruise go free.>> If the woman in the mask had been the same woman as Mandy, you would have > expected some recognition of that from Doctor Cruise. >>>>>>>>>>How would he recognise him, know him, given that they were all >>>>>>>>>>wearing> masks? >>>>>>>>> And even if it was clear, even if he had> referred directly to the events of the night before as the (Somerton)> party, it would still be uncertain, because>> 1. Is that how youwould describe it? ", "Victor what can I say. > not bothering, even, to use them correctly, the way that you are using > them> serves to obfuscate rather than clarify your meaning. How would he recognise him, know him, given that they were all wearingmasks? I had absolutely no idea you were involved in any way. I am normally the last guy in the> world to criticize somebody for using big words. ", "I saw her body in the morgue. Plus there is *no* *way* that a rare bookdealer would smoke anywhere near a book of which there are only threecopies in existence. and she >> replies, "Better," and then when Bill says, "you are a very lucky girl," >> Mandy says, "I know." He has written words for Den of Geek, Collider, The Irish Times and Screen Rant over the years, and can discuss anything from the MCU - where Hawkeye is clearly the best character - to the most obscure cult b-movie gem, and his hot takes often require heat resistant gloves to handle. There are many aspects of it that ARE still a > mystery such as I was suggesting with the costume. In Dr. Bill's "dream," the masked woman he meets (played by Abigail Good) and who he later sees dead in the morgue, is a distortion of the woman he met at the party when he was still "awake" partying with his wife. Was she the women at the party?" So, they joined Snctm because they heard it was the best of the best in the Bill is, after all, wearing a mask; not only that, butthe Mandy who was in Ziegler's bathroom the night before was 1. sodrugged out as to have been clearly incapable of making sense ofanything and 2. never actually spoke (just some unintelligiblemumbling), Ziegler doing all the talking and explaining. Same voice. If he wereZiegler, wouldn't he instead be going out of his way to privatelycommunicate with Bill, to get Bill out of Somerton as quickly aspossible in order to avoid any possible trouble (and as Zieglersubsequently admits, Bill's gate-crashing 'made me look like acomplete fool')? --Napoleon. WebBrowse a wide selection of eyes wide shut mask women and face coverings available in various fabrics and configurations, made by a community of small business-owners. at the > ceremony/orgy. >> If we speculate too far then we could say it was ALL a Charade.>>, >>>>>>>>>>>That would not be valuable or insightful speculation, but a total> denial of most of what happens in the film (another variation of 'it's> all just a dream', everything being attributable to the delusions of> Bill's mind, a denial of the world of social power, similar to saying> that everything that happens to Jack Torrance in The Shining is all> 'in his mind'). ", and for those whom may have something like an actual interest in, > In rec.arts.movies.past-films Kelpzoidzl <. The movie went through post-production following Stanley Kubrick's death, though some have argued about how much it represents his intended vision. Even Sk was not perfect in that way-----or was hethere is the mystery. > But I agree the way it is done is brilliant and it leaves all of us unsure > of everything, opening up infinite possibilites as to what it all means. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<. Bill is still even denying he knows what Zeigler > is talking about till Zeigler says "I was there at the house. So maybe they were all wearing walkie talkies under those masks, what do you want me to say..no, this IS left as a huge mystery. The big question is how did the mask get there, and who left it? From his meeting with Ziegler in the poolroom, it appears that Billhas been unclear about the identity of the woman in the morgue via-a-vis Mandy and the masked woman. news:47897d0b$0$5129$4c36@roadrunner.com > Harry writes: (seen on google)>> >>> 1. so drugged out as to have been clearly incapable of making sense >> >>> of>>> anything and 2. never actually spoke (just some unintelligible >> mumbling),<<<>, >> No, she clearly says "sorry" to Zeigler when he says "you gave us a scare >> kiddo" and then Bill asks her, "How are you feeling now Mandy?" He did not know who she was: she was wearinga mask. Barcaluv. Eyes Wide Shut is a 1999 erotic mystery psychological drama film directed, produced and co-written by Stanley Kubrick. Perhaps Alice was already attending these rituals and this was a way to gently break in stuffy and repressed Bill to this new found club and part of his initiation. He didn't recognise her voice. When he gets to Somerton, they are all wearing the same kind of costume--Nick only tells him, they are "costumed and masked." Indeed, he appearsthoroughly confused: later with Ziegler in the poolroom, he asks, "thewoman at the party is the woman lying dead in the morgue." Well, in the interview with "Mandy" - Julienne Davis. Eyes Wide Shut cast Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman as a married couple, with the former playing a doctor who goes on a strange, sexually charged journey one --alt.flame Special Forces"All successful software gets changed." But he can't know for sure (because she wasmasked at Somerton). that Bill first makes this connection, or at least, hasit confirmed by someone else (Ziegler)", Ditto. The lost of public phones booths will kill off Superman, Dr. Who, and Colin Farrell roles. Again, how is it 'clearly' the same voice? >>He also must have recognized the voice, considering that her voice is >>somewhat deep and throaty with a tinge of distinctive accent. >He also must have recognized> the voice, considering that her voice is somewhat deep and throaty with a> tinge of distinctive accent. Weve got a beautiful feminine version of the lead mask that features a baroque pattern and crystal embellishments, as well as a feathered mask similar to the >>In a big crowd of masked people, Zeigler (his eyes give away who he is)>, > So why didn't Bill also recognise the identity of this masked figure> on the basis of his eyes?<<<<<<<<<<<<, > This is simple. The twenty-something woman confirmed she and her partner Leonard are polyamorous. In fact, the only actual dream in the film is unseen, is onlylater described - namely, Alice's dream/nightmare about having sexwith numerous men (strikingly similar to the fate of the women atSomerton) in which Bill is openly humiliated, and told to Bill justafer he returns from Somerton. WebSynopsis. One intriguing reading of the Eyes Wide Shutmask being on the pillow is that it's only in Bill's head as if he's exhausted by trying to hide his attempts at infidelity or true feelings from Alice, leading to an emotional breakdown. Next: The Shining: Why Stanley Kubrick Changed Stephen King's Story. Milich even tried to talk Bill into renting a more colorful costume. But it isn't clear at all, and nobody in the film refers to the eventsat Somerton as a 'party.' You have to cut it off at the root if you want to cure all that polar gibberish, ocd and those annoying fetishes I'm sure that plague you. If we try > to go too far in figuring out the film we are left with many mysteries and > much conjecture. (2) With AT&T recently announcing that they will dump almost all of their public pay phones, where can he change? WebBrowse a wide selection of eyes wide shut mask woman and face coverings available in various fabrics and configurations, made by a community of small business-owners. The official cause of death was from a heart attack. Of course, Bill didn't 'know' - at least, not in any objective orcrystal-clear empirical sense. Are you suggesting that the people running Somerton would let thewomen there know that there was an interloper? > People often don't make definitive connections between things at the > moment. The lower part is made of paper-mache, while the upper one Perhaps it> would have worked better if there had been a photo in the news> article. He wasn't positive. Take another listen. Eyes Wide Shut: What The Mask On The Pillow Means, Every Stanley Kubrick Movie Ranked, Worst To Best, The Shining: Why Stanley Kubrick Changed Stephen King's Story, Why Pirates of the Caribbean Producer Wants Johnny Depp Back, Chris Pratt Joins Luigi Actor To Troll Super Mario Bros. Movie Voice Critics. Some will sink but we will float.Grab your coat. >> The vagueness is intentional, but I think it is clear that it was Mandy all> along. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< The way Zeigler confirms it was Mandy is matter of fact and it isn't as > though Bill seemed surprised at this--even if the audience might still be > confused.>, > 2. I mean hewas filmed only in england, but the photography behind him in thatglove clapping shot is projected or whatever and so that means that hedidn't care that mucha bout switching things around like actresses andstuff, it's about masks anyway the movie is. It was in the trailer or a TV spot. "Kelpzoidzl" wrote in message news:47881976$0$11015$4c36@roadrunner.com "Kelpzoidzl" wrote in message. And of course how did the mask get on his pillow? Are we not acceptingZiegle'sr story here once again, and then retrospectivelyinterpellating and internalising it, re-interpreting all the earlierevents of the film in strict accordance with his frankly deeplysuspect account? When we see the news article about dead Mandy, it says "Beauty Queen"but how did Bill know that was the same woman who ODd or helped him atthe orgy, since he never knew the real name of either? Can it really compete with Rupert? How doesshe know this? >Even in the morgue he still might not have> been positive, but he replays her voice in his head while looking over the> body. 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